My journey to find a foreign bride
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After several days, the chat pop-ups stopped arriving from asiandate. In any case, the frequency of the pop-ups didn't abate - if anything, it increased. There were pretty much constantly at least one and often around five chat pop-up windows on the screen at a time. Within 24 hours, the letters began accumulating in "Michael's" asiandate.
Again, most of the women in the photographs looked like professional models. Many of the letter writers purported to have read "Michael's" profile, in which he solicited messages from scammers only - yet here they were messaging him anyway. This is damning enough as it is, but I've got an even better actual smoking gun to present afterwards, so read on for that.
Here is a sample of those quotes from those letters, including any of my comments in grey. Too, several of these letters the very first contact these supposed women had had with "Michael's" profile included such implausibly forward statements as " Do you want to regard me as your special princess in your heart forever?
Those just don't ring true to me as the type of thing a genuine woman seeking lasting love would say to a seventy year old man she'd never met before, especially absent a photograph or any other identifying details.
To give you an idea of the frequency of the letters, around 60 letters arrived within the first nine days - about 6. To check that this wasn't some strange anomaly, on 5 July I created another fake account, "John Smith", aged 88 the maximum age it is possible to set for men on asiandate.
I will die within a month, the doctors say. As with "Michael"'s account, I provided no photographs. Within two days, the account received 15 letters, with similar results as for "Michael" - many of the writers claimed to have read, and to be attracted to "John" based on, his profile; many of them provided more than one photograph. Chat pop-ups for "John" didn't start as immediately as for "Michael", but once they did after about a day , they were similarly incessant, and equally implausible.
All of the above points strongly to scamming - that deceptive letters are sent out without regard for any particular qualities of their recipients other than having money to spend. It is even strongly suggestive of systemic scamming - that these letters are sent out by the asiandate. Today 14 July , I came upon the smoking gun that all but proves that this is the case: Below is a screenshot of the letter in question, in which I have circled the smoking gun in red.
Please take a moment to consider the implications of this. In all likelihood, the "personal" letters by "women" writing to you with such admiration for you and your carefully constructed profile are in fact generic form letters sent out by the asiandate.
And if you respond? Who knows how that works? Presumably, your letter is assigned to a paid member of the asiandate. Presumably, your response is again assigned to a paid member of the asiandate.
This section, an update added on 22 September , provides a couple of corroborations of the systemic scamming on asiandate. The first is indirect, providing plausibility only: The demonstration is contained within the fascinating article that I came across a few days ago, the title of which speaks for itself: The second is more direct corroboration.
A month or so back it has taken me a while to update this page , a reader kindly contacted me to let me know that he had received by email from asiandate. He shared with me images as proof, and he invited me to add them and his story to this page, and so I'm doing that.
Note that the messages begin slightly differently, but that after that they are identical, including the misspelling, "divoiced", the typos in which the fullstops after "today" and "relax" are not followed by a space, and the fact that "relax.
I have bolded these identical parts. Note that the reader did not pay to open these messages, so all we have are these summaries. The only adjustment I have made to the images has been to resize them, and to censor a link which would have allowed access to the reader's asiandate.
Once you register as a woman on that site, your login does not work on asiandate. There is, then, no way for women from the general online public to register an account with asiandate. From where, then, do the female profiles on asiandate. The official answer in one of the shonkiest videos you will ever see - don't be taken in by this dissembling seems to be that they come from thousands of affiliated dating agencies.
Nevertheless, their introductory letters are very likely also being sent automatically by script, so even in the case where a woman might well have registered with an agency and be "real", you're very likely not actually being contacted personally by her.
More than likely, you will never actually get to talk with her, but rather will speak with a paid agent of asiandate. There are on the web multiple negative reviews of asiandate. This section was added on 18 December , based on an email that I received not long ago from a reader of this page. This reader is a member of asiandate. Happy New Year and Merry Christmas! I leave for a couple of weeks to visit my parents and the site is just buzzing…interesting points and thanks for sharing Lance!
Once you spend some extended time out of the Anglosphere I think your views about WW will change. I appreciate all of the feedback. There is no doubt I cannot know or understand what these younger generations are like. So I have to respect your perspectives on that count. All I know is that I am going to Ukraine come Hell or high water to find love. With my dick in her freezer, just like most of the other American women I have been with over the years.
I think I will stick with finding a younger, beautiful Ukrainian woman. Hi Lance, I wanted to actually thank you for your post here. Not because I agree with everything but it reminded me of my biggest problem with dating WW and why I ended up going East. I also was very much raised by a similar woman and her husband. She was tough as nails but also still loving and generous. I searched for years always thinking that perhaps there was something wrong with me. For me the point of feminism should only be that men and women see each other as equally important.
We are different, and that will not change. And we each have roles that create a balance in a family that historically works. They spit on the very idea that a woman who holds to traditional ideals has any value in society. This is because they judge everything by the money it produces.
The breakdown of family values and traditional ideals is to blame for how western society has evolved into the shit pile it is today. The women like our mothers simply do not exist anymore in the west. Or they exist in such small number that it is impossible to find. We talk about these subjects all the time.
EE women in general are tough and beautiful by necessity. But they really desire to be soft and feminine. There is huge pressure on them to Marry and have families. I know several in Ukraine and Russia that are or have been married and endure a lot to keep their marriage together. This is the commitment you will find from the good ones in the FSU. Anyway, not sure if any of that made sense as I got off track.
But I think your problem and my old issue are the same. We are both thinking that an ideal from years ago still exists somewhere here in the west. And generally speaking it does not. Maybe I see this as I am guessing I am much younger than you. And I have not seen this type of woman in the US who is younger than 50 or 60 and that is a stretch.
So for a guy like me not even yet 40 I have no chance in hell of finding what I can find in the EE. I also have had to find my masculinity over the years. I agree with Scott and the other guys. The ideals of masculinity have been so neutered from us and we dont even realize it. It does not take that much to stand and be strong, chivalrous and yet kind, gentle and loving. But I agree that EE women want a man who can take charge and not be a complete asshole to them.
But we are so neutered in the west that we feel awkward if we dont ask permission to be a man. I like you was raised to take care of myself. And it still feels awkward to me when an EE woman takes care of me. It is such a foreign feeling to me to be loved and taken care of……how sad is that!! When she cooks me something I still feel the need to jump up and help rather than let her take care of her man. I feel this way not because she genuinely needs or wants my help but because I feel selfish letting someone take care of me.
But when I relax and let it happen it feels so good. And I feel more loved and desired and cared for because of it. And there is not a damn thing wrong with that because I dont expect her to run to my job and help me. We men must really rewire ourselves from this western thinking.
But then they have to get a shoehorn to squeeze their fat ass into that house and car. The children are insane little brats and have no respect for anything and expect everything. They have no manners, common sense or work ethic.
Ask any business owner about trying to hire new people. It is impossible to find someone with a work ethic anymore. Anyway, I lost track of where I was going with this. So, I hope you get over there and give it a try. Thank you for the kind sentiments. I read your thoughts and observations. Uncanny how much alike we are in our views. I am a very masculine guy. I love golf, riding motorcycles, snow skiing and hanging out with my buddies on occasion.
But I also like spending time with an intelligent, kind, gentle, warm, funny and lovely woman. Someone with class, grace, charm and humor. Someone who is quietly strong, challenges me to be my best, and a girl I can respect — not because she is a ball-buster — but because she just goes about getting things done in a subtle but deliberative manner.
Yes, someone like my mother. There was not anyone who ever met her who did not think she was the most remarkable woman they had ever known. However, this was not woman who was outspoken or overbearing. When she decided to speak, it was so eloquent and reasoned that even if you did not agree with her, you certainly respected her.
She garnered respect without even so much as hinting that she wanted or deserved it. She was so feminine, yet never above getting her hands dirty — literally. This was a lady who could fix a screen door at 4 P. Saturday afternoon, and be at the opera in a gown at 8 P. I will find someone similar to her in EE. I just have to be patient. Thank you again John. Thanks to all you guys.
I too do not always agree with everyone here. Each of us has our own experiences and perspectives. The one common thing we share is the notion that somewhere on the other side of this beautiful planet there is a girl that awaits us. Many would say we are fools. Better to die a fool and alone than to settle for anyone less than a nice lady to grow old with. Maybe eaten alive was not a good way for me to describe what will happen to a WM in the east.
But he will be seen as weak and discarded as such. When the problem is him and not the women. So were the American guys at the nightclub successful with the Ukrainian girls? You are right about being the man and all that. Basically the foreign girls throw themselves at Western guys. Just get off the plane and as soon as they learn that you are a Western guy the girls come running.
Of course they same the same thing about girls in Latin America, Southeast Asia and other part of the world that is completely overrun by feminism and materialism. Then again a lot of foreign tend to want to marry Western guys because of who we are.
Do not tell me that there is no truth to this concept. It is widely promoted after all. Well, as always happens in life, some of those American males did succeed and some did not. In the big cities, most women are very nervous is most western men. There is this little issue with men coming there for a little on the side and leaving.
A true lady, will stay back and wait for you to prove yourself to her. A lady just looking for a Visa, will do what she needs to get that Visa. Be careful, use common sense and everything will be OK. William, I have heard these stories just like anyone else. But I have more than a little experience now.
I would tell you if you get off the plane and see a line of women waiting to jump you…. First off it will never happen and second they would not be the ones you want anyway. But I personally would not suggest this as the best place to meet any woman anywhere in the world. Good EE women do not want to leave their homes and family. They do it from a desire to have a family and children and a decent life. I have many Slavic friends. And I have been through both Ukraine and Russia.
And as bad as drugs are in the west…alcohol is in the east. It is part of the social structure of the culture. And many, many good guys there become addicted and become abusive to their women. This is the major complaint I have heard from EE women. They want a guy there but dont want this drama. And now amphetamines are very rampant there. Especially in Ukraine so be careful.
Yes, western men are seen by many as being good husband prospects but very few women are actually looking for them because they dont want to leave their home. But get one to fall in love with you and it will change.
But keep in mind…. What are the common signs to know if a woman is just trying to get a VISA? Is it demanding expensive dinners and gifts or is it usually something more subtle? I heard that you can tell the good girls from the ones who just want to take your money by not throwing huge amounts of money around. Things might have changed since then. What was it like 7 years ago? You know what, William… How about you come here yourself and talk to the ladies instead of asking meaningless questions?
I do NOT want to visit any night clubs, never wanted to and never will want! Definitely not my kind of a place to visit and have fun. And I do not care how they look like now compared to 7 years ago. Was on busy in Romania. Took some time and travel to Kyiv. Being a western man bring a great deal of attention to yourself. Met the first lady at McDonalds, while I was standing in line getting coffee. All in different situations and place, but no night clubs.
Night clubs are not me as well. I did go one time to see what it was all about, left after my drink was finished. Did not care for it at all. I can tell you from my experiences, that no true woman will even speak with you about money or ask you to spend money on her. These are every strong and proud woman. I remember the first time I bought her something. You would have thought I killed someone, just by the look on her face. She was not very pleased with me at all.
They are strong and proud women. Pack your things and just go. You will not completely understand, until you just go there yourself. We can talk to you all day, but honestly do like I did. Just go to visit the country. After finding someone, coming back to the US or wherever you live, will be difficult. After my trip in September, I landed stepped off the plane and wanted to turn around and leave to head back.
After being there for the month of November, it was much harder to come back. My wife-to-be was also not pleased with expensive trinkets, however me giving flowers once in awhile got a bare pass.
Larry, I love that last comment about trying to part money from your wife. This is sooo true. My fiance has told me many times that she does not want anything from me. And part of that stems from the idea that she never wants a thought in my head that she could be anything other than genuine. I am not sure what the hell William wants but it sounds more like he wants a international club tour than a relationship. It is later, but I am finally getting back into some what of a rhythm.
Catch up on some reading and writing. John, Ira ask me the other day about sending me some money. When I asked her for what and why, she told me she wanted jelly beans for her son. A friend of his was in the US, on a soccer meet some international thing and his friend brought back jelly beans.
The kids loved them and she wanted to surprise him. He is away in Lviv at military school and coming home for a fall break. I had no words other than no, I will send these. She told me we are not husband and wife or engaged, so it is not right for me to do this.
She would not let me do a thing, no even help clean up afterwards. After 20 years of marriage and doing everything, laundry, fold the clothes, clean the house, take care of the outside… this list goes on and on.
I have no idea how to react to anything Ira does. The Ex and the west took it out of me. I waited until my daughter was 18 and threw in the towel. I could not live like that anymore. I was starting to believe the old joke about men dying early. They do not just die, they kill themselves to get away from the bitch. Another one is a man turns over his balls to the wife, when they get married. In the west, men are trained to feel guilty, pay an arm and a leg to get away from the Ex.
The past 40 years in the west, have just destroyed the male. I take care of my daughter, which is important to me. She does not understand what or why the marriage ended and I cannot explain. She has turned into the typical western woman. She was trained well by her mother, grandmother and aunt. My daughters aunt told her that her first marriage is for money, then her second is for love.
WTF BS is that crap. My daughter laughed, but it is too late. It is in her head already. Also is there any good websites that you know of or could profile when you have time for guys into Asian or Latin women? Is there a Latin Cupid or Asian Cupid? I can answer all your questions with ONE sentence: FC and all other here, that have either moved there or are in the process. Meat markets and gold diggers. Come, rent an apartment and get out. Good when you can cook really well. Not really extra ordinary.
And I for sure will not cook for families of my girl friend. As for the money for the jelly beans. I understand why she wants to pay for it and in a way she is right.
This is a very important and sometimes delicate matter. On the other hand , you still would want , to let her have her pride and dignity.
And , for sure , they toast to many things. And bringing some small gifts is also a good idea. The opinion from her older sister and parents , is also a very hot topic for her. I sure feel your urge , to go back as soon as possible. I think that Ukraine is a beautiful country , and in some ways , the climat is better than in my country.
It is very positive that she let you meet most of her friends and relatives. Plus I think in our current environment and social climate most men are better cooks than women. Hope the best to William…on his travels to Russia or Colombia…if he decides to go. Just take the advice on this site seriously. I know first hand that young women in South America want men, not boys.
Nightclubs and bars are a touchy subject. Everyone likes to have their type of fun…some more than others. The only thing about bars and clubs…a lot of people there, men and women are acting to a certain degree…either putting on their best appearances, slumming, playing someone else, etc. Thanks for all the info.
I dated these foreign women when I was between the ages of and was not ready to settle down. It was a different era in the US at the time, so it may be different today. I also had to drop my anger about being duped by our PC society. Scott is correct when he says all of us men in the US are feminists to some degree. I just stand there in silence. I remember traveling to foreign lands many years ago. Women were women and men were men. I look forward to experiencing that again. Being politically correct will not make you happy — unless getting the approval of society is what you need to be happy.
Such a tradition is probably becoming very rare in America and the west since most couples are divorced or separated, which obviously breaks up the family and rips children away from one their parents. Serra just might be offering some very valuable advice. A quick review of my one on one English lesson with one of the young ladies from the English Club. Natalia is a refined, feminine, incredibly attractive Ukrainian lady with bright, green eyes.
She is 26 years old and at age 16 went on her first abroad trip to France. She absolutely loved her experience with her crew, her job and America in general. She had an American boyfriend who was older than her and owned his own home and two cars. When she returned to Ukraine, she met a Ukrainian man her age, all of 21, and she ended her American romance. Now, 5 years later, they live together and will be married soon.
I told her how US girls at the age of 21 years, change guys like we change clothes. Besides other subjects, I also shared with her my own experiences and how I found my wife and our happiness that we share. She appeared puzzled because this was not her or any of her friends. She agreed that there would be some ladies that would go to this man, but for the most part, many would not.
Her current fiance has barely anything but they look forward to building their wealth together. Western feminists are a bunch of clowns for insinuating that western men come to the EE searching for the easy EE lady.
As Natalia told me, she believes in love. And yes, that girl is an exception which just confirms the general rule! She was lucky to escape Ukraine at the age of 16 and see France, then she was lucky again when she got a chance to live and work in South Carolina for 4 months! We returned back to Germany from Ukraine a couple of weeks ago. I am happy to report that Natalia passed her pre-interview for Flight Attendant with Emirates. She will now be going to Kiev for her 2 day assessment interview.
I spent 4 solid mornings with her and her fiance, helping develop and formulate their interview strategies. She texted me to say how happy she was and how she appreciated my help. During our final day, as we talked casually, after our lesson, I discovered that she had been a model, a dancer, and a Director of Mary Kay with 80 beauty consultants.
All at the tender age of Looking at her FB, I saw the other ladies, and yes, she was certainly the youngest. An extremely motivated, talented, young lady, with the same in her fiance.
More English is being spoken. More ways are being sought for financial gain. Natalia told me that her 19 year old brother was making more money than anyone in the family by playing online poker. Her fiance, I came to find out, was successful working with a Forex account. They are wonderful people with giant hearts.
Our friends and family had come to the train station to bid us goodbye on our trip to Kiev. It was heartwarming to see such care for us. Pretty exciting knowing that a family is growing with the love and care of two parents. My wife, the former lawyer, has no issues whatsoever, staying home and taking care of our daughter, day in and day out.
Never a complaint, never a whisper of discontent. Everyday I go to work with a packed lunch and come home to my sweet girls and a hot dinner. I can see how my daughter is growing up. She waves and blows kisses to her loved ones, or waves at cars when we are strolling in her baby carriage. Robert, I am 58 and my wife is To her, we are a family, never to be broken, and always to be one whole.
Due to the harsh lifestyle of Ukrainian men, at our age, they do look old! So, raise your glasses and join me in a toast of congratulations for my wife and soon to be born, son. Another happy and healthy child on the way. Your stories always show a stark contrast between eastern and western women. First, BIG congratulations on the soon to be member of the family. My girl was 5 years older than my son. You are going to have a blast! Enjoy this time, because they grow up so fast!
If you need anything, let me know. In speak with a close friend, who is looking for lady in his life, I tell him to come with me and stay for a month. He is a few years younger than me I am 50 and I keep telling him he will never find a good woman in the west. There are women there looking to escape and come west. I think there is a fantasy is their heads about how wonderful it is. I do not given up the Marine in me and I did meet another lady, I am seeing.
She does not want to move here thank God. She has a wonderful family and friends. I sit back and laugh, because after a few weeks of seeing me, it was the sister and her husband out of a picnic. Then it was more friends and finally the father and mother.
I know she was looking for their approval of me: You did good sir. I salute you on success. Just wish more men we go and see for themselves. After coming back to the western, they too would long to return to their Slavic lady.
Bryan — I follow your blogs constantly. Yes , when you finally have met both of her parents , then you may say , that you are on the right track. And she may not have to worry about what her family will think of her relation with a foreigner.
Of course , her father will have the final saying in this. Now it is up to you , to take it to the next level. Anyway good luck and work towards a happy end.. The brother in-law supplied the home made vodka and brandy. Holy crap, they toast to everything LOL! The next weeks were spent with her, having lunch alone with the brother in-law.
A walk by the Dnipro with her sister and children. Nights walking the dog after her work. The final meeting was with her 15 year old son. Then it was a train ride to Kyiv to meet more of her friends.
There are good older women in Ukraine and maybe a few young ones. But I made a point to stay within 13 years younger age difference. I do find it different, that at woman 40 would want to have a child. Maybe this is just the western male coming out. I am trying to hard to kick this to the curb. But I have no problems having a child with her at all.
The slavic women just amaze me at how hard they work. People in the west bitch about working more than 8 hours a day and there she works 10 hours a day. Then comes home, cooks, cleans and gets ready for the next day. And walk the dog. The other thing is there are so many women single in Ukraine. Blows my mind that a man there would leave his beautiful wife for a younger wife.
There are beautiful women all around, but wow! Wow , another chapter in your lifes. I understand that you are in different emotional states. For sure things will change , but it will be more fullfilling.
Especially since it is a boy. At 61 years of age I would love to have a EE woman bear my child. The best to you and your family. For now I had to slow things down a bit. Yes , my girlfriend wanted to come see me in April but due to other issues , I had to cancel that. So , it is still in the work.
But she has already mentioned that on my next trip to Odessa , we must have a BBQ together. Here is an interesting article written by a foreign man in living America. Do not let 2 or 3 successful marriages to fool and mislead you! An eastern European female is times and times worse than her western counterpart! Still wanna go to Eastern Europe? They are unable to appreciate, value and respect any good things done for them and will only want more and more and more money from you no matter if you have money or not!
Please, do not make this biggest mistake of your life and start a relationship with an eastern European female! They suck times more than Western Women! FC, I think it really depends on the woman. Biggest problem I see is western the TV shows and movies. These are giving a false views of life in the west. Yes and no, Bryan; How come I never got affected by the mainstream media, busloads of propaganda, brainwashing, political correctness, affirmative action, consumerism?
Any updates to your Ukrainian experiences? Last I remember you were considering making a move there? Avoid Ukrainian females even more than western ones!!